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Can someone help me please? Does anyone know or have any data on Icing
Stations for Refer Cars on the PRR Delmarva Division of the old Pennsy?
Need data for and pictures for an article I am doing?

Lee Burbage
BMCM USCG-Ret.

leeswitchkey -AT- mchsi.com

Thank You
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Penn Central Digest" <owner-penn-central -AT- smellycat.com>
To: <penn-central-digest -AT- smellycat.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 5:10 AM
Subject: Penn Central Digest V6 #1


> Penn Central Digest      Saturday, March 4 2006      Volume 06 : Number
001
>
>
>
>  Subjects in this issue:
>      PC: PC Items for Sale  March  Part 1
>      PC: Items for Sale  March  Part 2
>      PC: Items for Sale  March  Part 3
>      PC: Question about hopper lettering
>      Re: PC: Question about hopper lettering
>      PC: Re: Thoughts on 2006 PC Calendar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:04:45 EST
> From: PKMac101 -AT- aol.com
> Subject: PC: PC Items for Sale  March  Part 1
>
> List
>      Please contact OFF list with the above subject with questions. Prices
DO
> NOT
> incl shp. A couple of the items are big and heavy.Responses will as soon
as
> possible.
>
> PC CT-225-G Haz. Mtl. Reg-plastic cover,good cond  $12
> PC 1969 Annual Report-Fair cond-water marks on cover only  $5
> PC  POST, Some but not all,check           $3ea
> PC Cent. Reg. ETT No.4  5-1-70,New,no G.O.'s  $17
> PC Cent. Reg. ETT No.4  5-1-70,with G.O.'s  $15
> PC Leather Conductors Wallet,Well used but still nice cond  $12
> PC MW1-New Unused  $ 16
> PC MW4-Used but excellent cond,field notes on some pages,1section
>       for inspection,2nd section for construction   $12
> PC Grab Bag assrmnt of 14 items in Lrg PC 11 x 14 envlp - $20
> PC MW4 - New cond,no cover   $10
> PC MW4 - New Cond,unused    $16
> PC Letter Opener  $12
> PC Billfold             $12
> PC Measuring Tape, 71 inches     $12
> PC Hand towel,Green logo and name sewn in - $18
> PC  Conductor Hat Badge- Excellent Cond -  $45
>
> PC Lapel pins for Cond. & Trainman uniform  $45
> PC Long neck Journal oil can,VG used cond   $45
> PC Stainless steel water can with lid, VG used cond  $45
> PC  Battery Flashing Marker    $40
> CR C&S Signal plans,Blue CR logo on cover,NEW,not issued $90
> CR Lapel pins for Cond. & Trainman uniform   $40pr
> CR Annual Report-1982,83,85,86,87  $10ea
> CR MW-4,NEW,never used, excellent cond., w/screw post   $28
> CR Safety Committee sewn patch,blue background,white logo and letters  $10
> CR First Aid Kit,Opened,one or two packets used,VG cond,a must for train
room
>  $32
> Pullman Brass Car Door handles-From Heavyweight PRR Sleepers,old former
camp
>    cars,some dinges and dents mostly to door knob,latchs move,heavy  $30
> Pullman Hand Towel,has PC & UP logo stamped in black ink over ea.other,gd
> cond - $18
> Great Northern Atlas N scale FA1 (2 units)-older stock,not run,tested only
> $45pr
> Atlas SD7,w/DB, undec,new ,tested only,cracked plastic box    $45
> Atlas SD9,NKP,no DB,new ,tested only,w/plastic box    $45
> Unmarked Long neck Journal oil can,good used cond. - $35
> Unmarked Kero can,used good cond. -  $35
> Unmarked Battery Flashing Markers - New, Orange plastic body,yellow lens -
>     $35ea or$60pr
> Unmarked Battery Flashing Markers,good used cond,not perfect but still
work
> fine,plastic
>     body,1-yellow, 1-orange   $25ea or $40pr
> Unmarked STARR Car Insp blue lite,non-Flashing,orange body - $20
> Unmarked Car Insp Flashing Blue Light,Flashlite style body,magnetic base -
$20
>
> Thank you.
> Pat McKinney
> PKMac101 -AT- aol.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:05:31 EST
> From: PKMac101 -AT- aol.com
> Subject: PC: Items for Sale  March  Part 2
>
> List
>    Please contact OFF list with the above subject with questions. Prices
DO
> NOT
> incl shp. A couple of the items are big and heavy. Responses will be as
soon
> as possible.
>
>
> PRR CT 1000C Nov 1,1945 - Good used cond   $65
> PRR CT 1000E Nov 1,1923- Good  used cond   $ 80
> PRR CT 4001  6-1-1964,Excellent Cond.,never issued   $16
>
> PRR Altoona Shops & Yards,1905,Shows shop layout & complete yd  $22
> PRR Middle Division Interlocking Plants, Copy of 1914-1917 plans,Banks to
> Slope,
>         Hollidaysburg Br,Morison Cove Br, 50 pgs,8-1/2 x 14   $22
>
> PRR Pittsburgh Division Interlocking Diagrams, From 1913 ETT, 49 pgs,8-1/2
x
> 11  $22
> PRR Map of 1881 MainLine from Alt. to Johnstown,Alleg. Portage RR &
inclines,
>         New Portage Br,Blue print copied from original linen.  $9
> PRR Mine Card & Revenue Waybill,has 3 copies with carbon paper   $1
> PRR Land Book of 1890 for South West Pennsylvania RailWay  $300.00
> PRR CT1515 Qualification Card-New,never issued  $6
> PRR MW200 Machinery Qualification Card- New,never issued  $5
> PRR MW52(D) Manual of Instructions for MW Equip. NO COVER,
>    dated 1-1-60,very good cond.  $21
> PRR MW52(D)  Unused,Excellent Cond   $27
>
> PRR  C.E. 78 Manual for construction,unused, excellent cond. $27
>
> PRR Gen. Notice No. 207-B, Clearances,7-1-1966, Excellent Cond.   $30
> PRR Demurrage Card-pad, unused  $4
> PRR Application for Position-Pad of 100 unused,for bidding on jobs  $4
> PRR Deposit Slip book-Pad,unused  $4
> PRR PENNSY magizine,some but not all,check   $7ea.
> PRR Stock Certificates - Orange, less than 100 shares
>                                     Green,100 shares. Horseshoe curve
scene
> $6ea.
> PRR Annual Reports-1960,61  $15
> PRR 1st Annual Report 1848 (1894 reprint)Front cover loose,pages brittle
$40
> PRR Loco. Test Plant Book #18,test of K2sa,1914,inside good,cover brittle
> $18
> PRR Loco. Test Plant Book #19,test of K29,1914.inside good,cover brittle
$18
> PRR Loco. Test Plant Book #21,test of E6s,1913,inside good,cover brittle
$18
> PRR Loco. Test Plant Book #32,test of I1s,1924,inside good,cover brittle
> $18
> PRR Air Brake exm,129-D-1,questions for
Engr,Fireman,Condr,Trmn,Host-VG,$18
> PRR Mid. Div ETT No.30, 9-24-39,some G.O.'s,VG used  $40
> PRR Mid. Div ETT No.32,  9-29-40,No G.O.'s, VG used   $35
> PRR Mid. Div ETT No.33,  4-27-41,No G.O.'s,VG used    $35
> PRR Mid. Div ETT No.3, 12-6-42,Some G.O.'s VG used  $35
> PRR Mid. Div ETT No.10, 9-28-47, G.O.'s,VG used     $35
>
> Thank you
> Pat McKinney
> PKMac101 -AT- aol.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:06:21 EST
> From: PKMac101 -AT- aol.com
> Subject: PC: Items for Sale  March  Part 3
>
> List
>      Please contact OFF list with the above subject with questions. Prices
DO
> NOT
> incl shp. A couple of the items are big and heavy. Responses will be as
soon
> as possible.
>
> PRR Pgh. Reg. ETT No.6, 10-28-58,VG used,unissued   $25
> PRR Pgh. Reg. ETT No.8, 10-25-59,VG used cond,not issued   $25
> PRR Pgh. Reg. ETT No.11,10-29-61,VG used cond,w/G.O.'s   $20
> PRR Pgh. Reg. ETT No.12,10-28-62, VG used cond,w/G.O.'s  $20
> PRR Cent. Reg.ETT No.4, 10-27-67,Good used cond,has all G.O.'s  $20
> PRR  Hiring Manual - Nov,1956 Very good cond, $13
> PRR Elec. Opr. Inst.,1960 rev.,VG cond, unissued   $9
> PRR Book of Rules,10-28-56,VG cond,unissued    $9
> PRR Storage stamps for baggage-full book of 100 - 5 cents, 35 cents,  $12
> ea.bk
> PRR Grab bag assrtmnt of over 23 items in brown interoffice evlp or Lrg
white
> evlp  - $20
> PRR Diesel Years 4,VG used,   $35
> PRR Diesel Years 6,New still sealed, $40
> PRR Maroon Phone Book Cover     $10
> PRR Maint Instr Psgr Cars, Maroon vinyl front & rear COVERS ONLY,NO
pages,VG,
> $15
> PRR Middle Div Engr & Condr roster for Jan 1,1939 , cut & pasted in book
$20
> PRR Name sticker,Keystone shape with rectangular name area across middle
$3
> PRR Leather Conductors wallet (well used)name still visible $5
> PRR 40 year Silver service pin     $35
> PRR Spectrum 6 car HO  Psgr set, Comb-9916,Coach-3578-3818-4531,
>         Diner-8019,Obs-140,NEW unused,all still cellophane wrapped excpt
OBS
> - - $100
> PRR Battery Flashing marker (2),working,one has paint flaking off,other
>         was repainted      $50ea  OR  $90pr
> PRR Brite-Star Flashlight,Black,heavily used cond,Name very hard to read
>         but there, works     $5
> PRR 1st Aid Kit metal box, GD used cond, some scuffs & marks,no contents
$65
> PRR Kerosene Can, VG cond,  $45
> PRR Flag & Fusee Case, Good used cond,paint chipped from use    $45
> PRR Stainless Steel water can,Very Good cond,  W/O lid  -  $40
> PRR 1/2 pint milk carton cap      $15
> PRR Cast Iron Milepost, 5/11,Partial,lower 4 ft broken off,top 4 ft
remain,
>         needs jagged portion cut square,some rusting through at edge of
>         number,YOU MUST PICK UP,item to heavy to shp.   $125
> PRR Cast Iron Milepost, 9/68, Partial,lower 3 ft broken off,Top 5 ft
remain,
>           Rusty but solid. YOU MUST PICK UP, item to heavy to shp. $ 150
> PRR Whistle Post,Lower 3 ft broken off,Top 7 ft remain,Rusty with a bullet
>          hole but solid,YOU MUST PICK UP,item to heavy and long to shp
$150
>
>
> Thank you
> Pat McKinney
> PKMac101 -AT- aol.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:28:18 -0500
> From: Jerry Jordak <jer -AT- smellycat.com>
> Subject: PC: Question about hopper lettering
>
> All,
>
> I received this from a web site visitor, and I'm probably not enough of
> an expert to know the answer. I know some of you guys are experts on
> lettering sizes and that sort of thing, so possibly one of you might be
> able to answer this for me. (Note that I'm not sure what he means by "my
> coal car decal sets," as I don't sell decals.)
>
> Thanks,
> - -JWJ
>
> - -------- Original Message --------
> > Trying to help a friend out and was wondering if you happen to know
> > anything about PC's coal hopper lettering for HO scale.  According to
> > some PC paint diagram info, it shows the "PC" marking on the side
> > above the numbers as 11" in real-life, and the PC style numbers are
> > 9" in real life.  But did PC also paint some of these cars w/ larger
> > "PC"' 's and/or larger numbers at times or were they all mostly the
> > size you have in your coal car decal sets (and according to the
> > diagrams)?  (I noticed from stewart to bowser PC coal cars to
> > everyone else, everyone has all different sizes so who's right and
> > who's wrong when it comes to the manufacturer's?)
> >
> > Also noticed that it's possible to use microscale's PC freight car
> > numbers and "PC"'s, but are the PC style numbers and "PC"'s actually
> > too large?  (PC diagrams I've seen also show the PC markings and
> > numbers the same size for both coal hoppers and boxcars).  Just
> > wondering. Thanks, Tom
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:24:02 EST
> From: Haagtk -AT- aol.com
> Subject: Re: PC: Question about hopper lettering
>
>
> In a message dated 3/1/2006 10:29:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jer -AT- smellycat.com writes:
>
> I  received this from a web site visitor, and I'm probably not enough of
> an  expert to know the answer. I know some of you guys are experts on
> lettering sizes and that sort of thing, so possibly one of you might be
> able to answer this for me. (Note that I'm not sure what he means by "my
> coal car decal sets," as I don't sell decals.)
>
>
>
>
> He is probably referring to the Central Decal set that is  available from
the
> PCRRHS.
>
> Anyhow yes there were variations in the PC lettering for coal  cars.
>
> Early paint PC hopper car paint jobs came with PRR style  numbers (10"
tall)
> and some came with the PC reporting marks that appear to be  10" tall
while
> most came with reporting marks 11" tall.   The 10" high  numbers were
pretty
> much the standard.    This applies to the 100-ton  H43s (ex-PRR) and
smaller size
> cars.
>
> Some ex-PRR H43s came with PC slanted style numbers that were  9" tall.
> These were in the minority
>
> PC also had a large number of 100-ton coal car built for them  (the H43D
> class).  These cars came with numbers about 9" tall but the  reporting
marks seem
> to be bigger than the standard at around 12" tall.
>
> The PC Post had a couple of good articles on modeling these  cars.  Lots
of
> pictures
>
> Please note that I have PC decals available for the smaller  coal cars
(h%,
> H39, ex-NYC) that contain the 11" reporting marks and two  different sizes
of
> heralds.
>
> - -Tom Haag
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 01:12:05 -0500
> From: "Michael Worrell" <worrelmr -AT- dramatools.net>
> Subject: PC: Re: Thoughts on 2006 PC Calendar
>
> Despite coming remarkably late to the discussion (what else is new?) I
> thought I'd still offer a few personal opinions about the 2006 calendar:
>
> - -Some of the pictures did reproduce oddly. I asked myself at least once
if
> perhaps a hand-tinted photograph had made it into the mix. (Does anyone
even
> know how to do that any more?) We are lucky in that the primary livery for
> the PC was black and white; whether it's color or not, the motive power
> always is properly colored.
>
> - -I like having a PCRRHS calendar; it's a wonderful little thing to have
> hanging over my desk. In fact, if I had ever made it to the last couple of
> conventions, I would have requested that as a Society project. Luckily,
> someone else in authority had already thought of it. (Next on the list
would
> be more "stuff" emblazoned with the "PC" logo and "PENN CENTRAL", but
that's
> a subject for a richer time.)
>
> - -The inclusion of date-specific PC facts & trivia is greatly
appreciated.
> The more the merrier, in my opinion. Heck, even terminal events of the
PRR,
> NYC, and NH would be valuable. ("New Haven trustees sue for inclusion;
A.E.
> Perlman Yard opens")
>
> - -I could probably take a price increase if the quality of the paper went
up.
> I think my ideal example would be the N&WHS calendars; they seem rather
> tough. Of course, they're also a larger group that apparently has money to
> burn.
>
> - -I realize that there's probably only so much that can be done with a
> railroad that seemed to be deliberately ignored by photographers from time
> to time, but I wouldn't mind the odd facility picture. Six Penn Center
might
> be appropriate for this, or perhaps GCT during the PC era.
>
> These are just my observations. I've got no criticism for the work of the
> folks who put it together, and have full confidence in the quality of the
> 2007 effort.
>
> Regards,
> Michael Worrell
> _________________________________________________________
> "You think you know what I'm doing, so obviously you don't."---Aeon Flux
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of Penn Central Digest V6 #1
> ********************************
>
>
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