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Re: PC: Re: white frames and worms

If NYC thiought they were U33B's which they never owned they would have been
classed GF33's. As stated before the NYC never owned any higher than 3000 HP
and U33 was not made to the tme U30 was produced.  The "B" series are
totally much different than the U series. Odd, the NYC was then the "only"
road to have only two U33B "looking" units while everyone else waa still
getting U30's? Hey, P&LE had U25B's too. Wrong. They were U28B's. EMD had
been using "body sharing" for the past 51 years where they all look a like,
than fan and radiator placement. GE is no different to this. The body does
not change the or HP. In my NYC and early PC ETT nowhere are restrictions
stated for a class GF33.  This data is 100% more accurate than what railfans
believe a model "may" be based on appearence.  No one knows their engines
better than the owning railroad as they paid for what they ordered.  NYC did
not exist long when U33B production started in 1967 when NYC bought ten
C430's as last and final power under that name. 2830-2888 were built in
1966. Radiator openings as seen from roof of 2858 are smaller than what is
on the U33B. U33B's also sound different than 2858 and ither U30B's, If you
think 2858 is a U33B because Athearn says so, fine. Remember they also calld
their SW9 an SW-1500
in a year when no such model was even planned. NYC did own two U28B's
2822-2823 numbered on top of PLE assigned U28B's 2600-2821. NYC U28B's had
U28/30B style bodies.

As for CP, if they wanted a 3600 HP  unit they would have bought an M636 and
not a more expensive M640 wih 3600 HP.  The M640 made the railfan press when
new as the back then only 4000 HP hood unit. Alco cataloged a C640 with wide
nose but ceased production before it could be ordered.

Is a U34CH really such a model? No. It is a U36C in non-passenger mode and
derated 180 HP when HEP is cut in for passenger use dropping HP to 3420.
But GE does clearly state on builder plate that the unit is 3420 HP than
3600 HP.

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