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PC: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: EP-5s/E40s

I saw a thing on TeeWee (History Channel, I think) that showed parts of the
present concourse where the linoleum had worn off the floor revealing the
original glass block concourse floor.  Yes, the room was significantly
different (10' drop ceilings instead of the 100' stone vaults) but much of
the pedestrian flow and the underground track layout is the same as the PRR
built.  No, I have not personally been in the place, so I could be wrong.  I
knew Saunders sold the air rights over the station, but I was unaware that
the working parts of the station were transferred.  Did PRR lease the space
back from Madison Square Garden?
-----Original Message-----
To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com <penn-central@smellycat.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:34 PM
Subject: PC: Re: Re: Re: RE: EP-5s/E40s

>They sold the station completely. There was nothing theycan do with the
>plaforms unless they were moveable O Scale Models. Waiting room is gone
>ago. Have you neen there to see if it looks as you saw originally in
>pictures? Its all new inside. You would not know how it looked originally
>you did not know the history
>> Clarification...  PRR sold the "air rights" over Penn Station.  The
>> infrastructure (platforms, tracks, waiting rooms, etc.) remained in
>> and under PRR ownership.  Only the building above it was razed.  Similar
>> arrangements have led to the "covering" of old downtown yards and
>> all over the country.
>> Lee
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ERIE LACKAWANNA SD45-2 <ERIE-LACKAWANNA -AT- prodigy.net>
>> To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com <penn-central@smellycat.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:17 PM
>> Subject: PC: Re: RE: EP-5s/E40s
>> >No, Wilmington was a lot larger than Van Nest Shops in the Bronx now
>> by
>> >ConEd. NH sold the shops to ConEd in the early 60's to help their
>> >and moved everything to New Haven. Simillary the PRR sold Penn Station
>> >developer to help their financial status who created Madison Square
>> >
>> >Jerome
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Conan Evans" <cevans -AT- onlinesecurities.net>
>> >To: <penn-central -AT- smellycat.com>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:54 PM
>> >Subject: PC: RE: EP-5s/E40s
>> >
>> >
>> >> I want to change the subject somewhat to explore Van Nest.
>> >>
>> >> Was this the eqivalant of Wilmington on the PRR?  Where is/was it and
>> what
>> >> information is readily available? published?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Conan Evans
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-penn-central@smellycat.com]On Behalf Of John Wilson
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:29 PM
>> >> To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
>> >> Subject: PC: EP-5s/E40s
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  I believe that the New Haven did use the EP-5s in freight service-
>> >> mostly the lighter and faster trains such as TrailLiner Service.
>> >>  One reason the EP-5s were not used in New Haven to Washington
>> >> service was that their cooling systems were designed for use in the
>> >> Havens' 75 mile long electrified zone where they would have a cooling
>> >> off period at each end. They were tested  on the PRR to Washington and
>> >> performed well but they required too much cool-down time at the end of
>> >> each run for this assignment to be practical.
>> >>  The closing of the Van Nest electrical shops ensured that they
>> >> be mintained as well as they should have been. That didn't help much
>> >> either.
>> >>   JW
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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