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PC: Re: PC signal answers

Right before the death of Conrail I saw and photographed at least 5 remaining
sets of the NYC double masted non-interlocking signals.  As Jim states they were
the "turned head" types, but still had the flavor of the old NYC.  Their
locations were:  the first set of signals east of CP97, the signals at
Springfield, Pa., the first set of signals west of Madison, Ohio, the signals in
Willoughby, Ohio and the signals at Dunlap, Ind (east of Elkhart).  Sorry I
can't give you the mileage numbers but I'm at work and not home.  Also of
interest was the fact that the track chart booklet issued by CSX after the
takeover showed the double masted sets in their territory as double masted sets.
All the rest have been either been removed by block lengthening or replaced by
single ground masts (a correction to my earlier statement about most of the
signals being around for a long time).

But I do hate that phrase "Reading-style" signals because they weren't.

"Jim Kosty" <j_kosty -AT- hotmail.com> on 03/20/2001 11:20:21 AM

Please respond to penn-central -AT- smellycat.com

To:   penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
cc:    (bcc: Mark Branibar/USA/NA/Praxair)
Subject:  Re: PC: Re: PC signal answers

I am pretty certain that the reason for the difference in signal styles east
/ west of Buffalo was due to the fact that the "old" NYC was Buffalo to New
York.  Then, the western portion was originally the Lake Shore and Michigan
Southern Railroad until the Vanderbilts increased the proportions of their
A lot of those signals west of Buffalo were reconfigured after the advent of
the stack trains.  It was because of the height of the stacks that some
trains couldn't see their signal aspects if a stacker intervened between
their train and the signal masts.  Originally, this was remedied by turning
the signals on one of the masts the other direction and rewiring them, so
that a set was visible from each track on the outside.  Conrail started
replacing the old signal heads in the early nineties, and probably CSX will
continue to do the same.
Jim Kosty

>From: Mark_Branibar -AT- praxair.com
>Reply-To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
>To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
>Subject: PC: Re: PC signal question
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:23:40 -0500
>On the New York Central it seems that Buffalo was the dividing point for
>types.  All of the signals east of CP 437 were of the single target
>type.  All of the signals west of Buffalo were of the tri-color type
>similar to
>the Reading's but were not "Reading-type".  There was one set of double
>signals in Vermillion, Ohio that were of the single searchlight type but
>replaced them in the mid 1990's.  Most of the signals currently on ex - NYC
>lines were there long before Conrail.

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