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Re: PC: RE: Re: Why no money?

Before you go belly aching that Amtrak is on the public dole, ask yourself
how much you pay for that street in front of your house, or the exit ramp to
the expressway, or the expressway itself.  Seems to me that GM, Toyota, and
Dumbler Kriesler receive the biggest subsidy of all!  If we didn't dump
zillions of dollars into concrete and asphalt it would be pretty hard to
make a profit on an automobile.

This is one of the key problems with the failure of the PC.  The ICC was
regulating the railroads like the only competition they had was each other!
When Thomas Jefferson funded the first National Road in 1804(?) it spelled
the doom of the railroads, 25 years before they even got started!

And don't get me started on the subsidies the airlines enjoy.  Long live
Amtrak, MARC, NJ Transit, Septa and the rest!
(who is typically a right wing wack-o!)

-----Original Message-----
To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com <penn-central@smellycat.com>
Date: Monday, March 19, 2001 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: PC: RE: Re: Why no money?

>Amtrak like the Postal Service will never be broke and go out of business
>both are US Gov't and supported by taxpayer dollars. WoW! If the stories we
>hear of Amtrak having no money, then they should not have Acela trains and
>be running today. That is really broke when the offices are closed and no
>one in them. I'd like to be as broke as Amtrak. Another wording to further
>soak the raxpayer.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <w8ln -AT- juno.com>
>To: <penn-central -AT- smellycat.com>
>Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 6:30 PM
>Subject: Re: PC: RE: Re: Why no money?
>> > I remember hearing stories of passenger cars (roach coaches) being
>> > trashed inside. Inoperative A/C and heat made cars miserable.
>> Why spend needed capital on a guaranteed money loser? If the service
>> stank, there was a chance they could drive off enough passengers so the
>> ICC would let them kill the train. If they spent money on heat and A/C,
>> for example, all they would have is a comfortable money loser.
>> There was (and is) no way to make a profit on a national intercity
>> passenger system  and on commuter passenger trains. It doesn't happen
>> anywhere in the world today, and it became impossible in the U.S. decades
>> ago. Amtrak, financially the best system in the world, barely covers
>> operating cost on the corridor (the "best" part of its system), but it
>> can't even think about capital from revenues.
>> (Don't think I'm anti passenger service. Passenger trains are an
>> essential service but it will take public money to make a national system
>> work.)
>> > >Parts were not readily available anymore and had to strip other
>> > engines for parts. This was why some railroads re-engined GP7/9 units
>> > with 645 components that became GP8/10 units.
>> The world is still swimming in 567 parts. Many of these rebuilds were
>> done for tax and accounting reasons.
>> Bryan Turner
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