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Re: PC: NYC sharks that didn't make it to PC
- Subject: Re: PC: NYC sharks that didn't make it to PC
- From: "weldon" <weldon@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:41:06 -0500
Both CSX and NS have charitable foundations within their corporate
structure. Neither is very active this point, as both roads are working to
restore their profit margins as they digest Conrail.
However, they should be contacted (via their websites) to inquire about the
types of projects they support and what kind of application process is
Another resource would be your friendly local grants administrator. (many
towns have them.) If the move, restoration and proper display (or operation
as a tourist attraction) can be couched as an economic development project,
there might be money available from state and local sources, and potentially
the feds under T-21 transportation funds.
Here are the keys,
1) A thorough cost analysis needs to be done that includes costs of
acquisition, preparation, transportation, a destination for the rehab work,
a final resting place (including any building construction or rehab costs),
and a projection of about a 3 year operating budget for maintenance,
staffing, supplies, insurance, security, etc.
2) We need the current owner to be a willing accomplice. If he is a hard
head, and not willing to negotiate a fair price, then leave them be until it
falls to his heirs, who more than likely will want to dump the things to be
done with them.
3) Identify a final resting place (or operating venue) that is well
secured, convenient to volunteers, and available to the public.
4) Develop a business plan that identifies revenue sources, including
admission, membership dues, public and private contributions, etc.
5) Make sure all budget projections are realistic, and can be met by the
A well prepared planning document will be important to secure the funding
that will be necessary for such a large project. Involving and getting
support from an existing, well established museum (such as B&O or Strasburg)
will also create a lot more leverage than a bunch of guys who like trains.
PCRHS can be an influence, but given the longevity and the nature of the
organization, a museum's participation will be important.
Strasburg would be an excellent first stop, as this is already state run,
and the sharks would be very appropriate for their collection, as both the
NYC and D&H (not to mention PC) were influential in state history. Also, I
know Baldwin built their steam in Philadelphia... was that not the
birthplace of the sharks also?
Make some calls. Where there is a will, there is a way.
If I can help, let me know.
From: Jim Hebner <hebnerj -AT- clark.cc.oh.us>
To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Thursday, January 18, 2001 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: PC: NYC sharks that didn't make it to PC
>There are several preservation issues here
>1 We are a very young society, with very limited cash flow.
>2 Even if they where donated, the cost of moving, or even preparing them to
>move, would most likly break the bank.
>3 Move it/them to where? Can anyone see NS or CSX doing a move like this?
>4 Assume we do get something, and get it moved some place safe - then what?
>members are scattered - who restores it? Do we pay to have it done? $$$$
> I have formed a PCRRHS committee to investigate the issues - just in
>Two members have come forward to serve. If any other member wants to serve,
>contact me off list.
>We are not planning to preserve anything at this point or forseeable
>if preparation meets opportunity, who knows what might happen.
>One last point. The NYC/MGA/DH/E&LS Sharks are neat. But do you notice
>missing? The letters PC.
>> I'll let Jim Hebner elaborate on this if he wishes, but at this point,
>> the PCRRHS probably is not going to delve into any preservation efforts,
>> because a) we're just starting out and have other more pressing needs to
>> attend to and b) see my above paragraph. Preservation takes a lot of time
>> and money, and the PCRRHS, having been in existence for not quite six
>> months, just doesn't have the money or the time to devote to a project
>> like that. It would be foolish to try, because it would likely bankrupt
>> the Society. If someday we end up with tens of thousands of extra dollars
>> in the treasury, AND the membership agrees on a worthwhile preservation
>> effort, then possibly it could happen. But at this point, preservation is
>> not going to be a focus of the PCRRHS. (I say this in an official role
>> as a PCRRHS Trustee, although Jim can probably say the same more
>> eloquently that I.)
>> This I will say as a personal opinion: The sharks have been parked in
>> the woods for probably 10 years, at least. They're not going anywhere,
>> so I don't see a real rush to preserve them right now. Yes, things could
>> change, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Hopefully someday down
>> the road they will be preserved by someone or some group with the pockets
>> to do it. But the E&LS doesn't seem to be in any hurry to sell them for
>> scrap, and I'm sure they are aware of the historical significance of the
>> locomotives, so this story will probably have a happy ending someday.
>> Jerry W. Jordak It's not the trains that amaze me--
>> mailto:email@example.com it's the fish heads.
>> http://prozac.cwru.edu/jer/ -- Mark Bailey
>> Acts 16:31 <><
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