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Re: PC: Re: 1100 & Washboards

From:           	"NEW HAVEN U25B" <ERIE-LACKAWANNA -AT- prodigy.net>
To:             	<penn-central -AT- smellycat.com>
Subject:        	PC: Re: 1100 & Washboards
Date sent:      	Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:13:57 -0400
Organization:   	Prodigy Internet
Send reply to:  	penn-central -AT- smellycat.com

	I really am getting to be up set with this guy. He is a totally 
rude know it all. From the time I have spent working on the EL, BN 
and now BNSF I do have some idea of what is going on in the real 
world. All I ever said is this may be a reason, not that it was the 
reason. I have seen on the rip track some cars from time to time 
that look good on the outside but the steel framing is a total mess. 
This is caused by water leaking behind the outer shell into the 
frame work. Again this is dependent on home much preventitve 
work was done by the owning railroad to keep this from happening. 
Cars from a profitable railraod like Union Pacific where much more 
likely to have been better taken care of then cars from a road like 
the New Haven or Penn Central where the dollars where not there 
for a lot of preventive mantiance. This is a reason why some cars 
are still running and some went to scrapers early.I really think that 
this guy needs to tone down his hate or be removed from the list.
Bob Stafford

> The PC 1100's and 4400's were not converted to coaches because MTA had
> juristriction over such projects and already had New M-1 MU's on the
> property and ex-D&H (some ex-EL) for service. You forgot Amtrak has
> "Heritage" cars using the same construction as 1100's and 4400's and they
> have no rush underneath becuase they say Amtrak? Do you have any photos of
> these 1100's and 4400's to back up your statement?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rastaff -AT- iguana.ruralnet.net>
> To: <penn-central -AT- smellycat.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 1:34 AM
> Subject: PC: 1100 & Washboards
> > Budd Company held the patent on shot welding aluminium.
> > Passenger cars built by other builders with smooth or corrugated
> > aluminium sides where attached to a steel frame. The chemical
> > reaction between the two metals caused the steel to rust out very
> > badly over the years. Also these cars where built with a layer of
> > insulation between the outer aluminium and the steel interior that
> > just asorbed moisture also helping to speed up the rusting out
> > process. By the 1970's many passenger cars looked very good on
> > the outside, but under that painted skin they were rusted away.
> > This may have been a factor as to why the 1100 class ex-NYC
> > cars and the NH washboard cars where not converted to diesel
> > hauled coaches.
> > Bob Stafford
> >

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