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Re: PC: What if
- Subject: Re: PC: What if
- From: rastaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:14:31 +0000
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:57:33 -0600
To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
Subject: Re: PC: What if
Reply-to: Gene.Fusco -AT- Symbios.com
From: Gene.Fusco -AT- Symbios.com
Reply-to: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
When you saw the operation of the PC mainline across New Jersey or
the Middle Division around Altoona you could see that a vieable
operating carrier was trying to crawl out from under the burden of
branch line and passenger service loss. The fact that this part of
the PC performed was not due to the Al Perlman's or Stuart Sanders
mangement of the road, it was the Superintendents, Trainmasters, Road
Foreman of Engs, Yardmasters and train service personal that just
keep on going no matter what the boys up stairs did. Also lets not
forget the mechanical department that kept the trians running.
If the Penn Central could have hung in there without the New Haven I
do not know. You can not fault the investment of money away from the
railroad when the railroad was not even earning the cost of the
capital needed to invest into it. But you can find fault with what it
was invested into. Some very bad investments.
If the PC had not failed the EL would be around also. It was the PC
failure to pay its interline accounts that helped to kill off the EL.
By this time in history the EL most likely would have merged with D&H
and maybe the LV and B&M. The Lehigh Valley would have been ripped up
between Buffalo and Waverly the way it is now, but east of Sayre it
would have survived. Oak Island would have given the EL a better yard
to serve New York Harbor from. The Erie side and DL side mains could
have been tied into it through the National Branch. With the EL
competition down the middle of PC I am not so it it would have been
broken up the way Conrail is being broke up now. CSX could have
gotten the CNJ and RDG, NYSW as we know it now as a stack train
carrier would not have happened, it would have been the EL that got
the stacks out of Chicago.
We would have had a PC in the east, with its passenger business spun
off to Amtrak and the state commuter agencies. The branch lines would
be gone, many dublicate mainline would have been combined, with the
resulting track adbandonments. But the PC that was left would have
been a strong carrier with a brite future that most likely would have
become a good merger partiner for the UP or BNSF.
Buy the way I think the black with the two worms in love would have
stayed around. It had nothing in common with the two merger roads,
and the logo was assocated with the PC.
> I state my question again. If PC was here today what do you think their
> history would have been and what would be their situation today.
My opinion on this is that had PC survived the 70's, we would be looking at
a NS/CSX split up of Penn Central today. The only difference would be the
loss of black engines and worms, rather than blue and a can opener.
Penn Central + Deregulation = Conrail
The key to the whole mess was the deregulation act. Had it happened when
PC needed it to happen, it may have survived, even with the bad management.
PC was not allowed to divest itself (abandon) duplicate and low traffic
routes as Conrail was allowed to do.
PC would have absorbed the smaller NE RR's as their lives ended. Taken the
good parts and dumped the rest. We would still have Guilford, Metro North,
The real speculation, as a modeller, is what would they have done image-
wise over the past 25 years. With the current state of "retro" paint
schemes, like the BNSF Orange and Green, it isn't hard to imagine a Tuscan
locomotive with Dulux Gold Lightning Stripes. Yow!
Gene Fusco | (970) 223-5100 x9404 Gene.Fusco -AT- Symbios.com KB0ZMZ
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