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PC: where has this one been?
- Subject: PC: where has this one been?
- From: "Bill K" <pontiac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:03:28 -0400
How am I getting a message back that I sent over a month ago? wow!
Bill's Syracuse rail page
: From: Bill K <pontiac -AT- dreamscape.com>
: To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
: Subject: PC: Re: More on long hood forward
: Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 1:23 PM
: I hope they plan an exception to this for locals and shortlines and so
: forth, unsignalled track also. Otherwise it would cripple small roads,
: making them need 2 engines where one would do the job....
: Bill's Syracuse rail page
: Updated with pictures!
: : From: Walter B. Turner <lnrr -AT- juno.com>
: : To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
: : Subject: PC: More on long hood forward
: : Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 9:21 AM
: : From:
: : http://www.kalmbach.com/trains/trains.html
: : Norfolk Southern tragedy sparks
: : locomotive operating debate
: : In the wake of the March 25 fatal collision between Norfolk
: : Southern and Conrail trains in Butler, Ind., the Brotherhood of
: : Locomotive Engineers has asked the Federal Railroad
: : Administration to bar railroads from running locomotives long-hood
: : forward.
: : The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the
: : collision, in which NS Detroit-Kansas City RoadRailer 255
: : apparently went through a red stop signal before slicing through a
: : Conrail double-stack train that was crossing the Butler diamond
: : eastbound on the former New York Central main line. One NS
: : crewman, Howard L. Rose of Peru, Ind., was killed as the 88-car
: : NS train's diesels, SD50 6508 and SD40-2 1640, struck and crashed
: : through the moving Conrail train at about the sixth car.
: : In making its April 14 request of the FRA, the BLE claims that a
: : contributing factor in the crash was that the NS lead unit was
: : running long-hood forward. "This dangerous situation places the
: : engineer on the left side of the cab, the side of the locomotive
: : opposite trackside signals," the BLE said in a press release.
: : "Most signal systems are designed to be observed from the right
: : side of the locomotive," BLE President Clarence Monin said. "The
: : momentary loss of view of a signal as it is obstructed by the body
: : the locomotive could result in loss of information essential to the
: : safe operation of the train. Railroad rules require continuous
: : observance of the signal as you approach it."
: : But in NS SD50's like the one involved in the Butler accident, the
: : control stand is on the right side of the locomotive when it's
: : running
: : long-hood forward. Does that--and the fact that many NS
: : locomotives set to operate long-hood forward have the control stand
: : on the right--change the BLE's position?
: : "It doesn't matter whether it's on the right or the left--running
: : long-hood forward still disturbs the visibility," says John Tolman,
: : BLE special representative who confirmed that the student engineer
: : at the throttle of NS 255 was, indeed, on the right side of the
: : Tolman did credit NS, however, for switching to short-hood
: : operation on its more recent locomotive orders.
: : Citing the ongoing NTSB investigation, NS spokesman Rick Harris
: : declined to comment on the BLE's rulemaking request. NS and its
: : predecessor roads, Norfolk & Western and Southern Railway,
: : traditionally ran their locomotives long-hood forward since the end
: : of the steam era. Most NS diesels built since 1990, though, are set
: : to operate short-hood forward.
: : At one time, the railroads considered running long-hood forward a
: : safety advantage in the event of a grade-crossing accident. The
: : more metal between the cab and the collision, the better off the
: : crew would be. Some crews prefer running long-hood forward for
: : that reason. But long-hood forward operation also means that the
: : crew is riding behind the locomotive's fuel tank. Tolman cited a
: : 1991 NTSB study of 29 accidents that involved the derailment of 83
: : locomotives. Of those, 55 experienced fuel-tank damage, and 25
: : experienced fires.
: : Under the BLE proposal, trains would not be allowed to operate
: : with the lead unit in the long-nose forward position over a
: : of 5 miles or greater or when a locomotive engineer is at the
: : controls of a train for more than one hour. The FRA says it is
: : reviewing the BLE request.--Bill Stephens
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